Israel's Insult
TEXTING ISRAEL’S INSULT TO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN
– NYTIMES
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/israels-challenge-to-the-u-s/
American-Israel supporters => Swine herd entered by demons cast out of possessed Vatican children .
I. Aaron David Miller, Woodrow Wilson International Center
a former U.S. negotiator for Republican and Democratic administrations, is a now a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center, where he is writing a new book “Can America Have Another Great President?”
Dancing With a Bear – (Russia replaced by Israel meme.)
”If you’re hoping for an Israeli-American war, I wouldn’t bet on it: shared values (x), a strong pro-Israeli community (x) and America’s need to cooperate with Israel to advance and protect its own interests preclude it.” “The last (x) thing an overextended president needs is a big fight with Israel and its supporters.“
(subtext: political threat: don’t even think of it, Obama ) But: x =not: preventive war, state targeted assassinations. X. => not America’s interests. There is massive evidence refuting this: never voted on; The Lobby neverchallenged; "Israel’s need to cooperate with America”
II. Daniel Gordis, Shalem Center
is senior vice president of the Shalem Center in Jerusalem. His most recent book, “Saving Israel: How the Jewish People Can Win a War That May Never End,” received a 2009 National Jewish Book Award.
A Region Devoid of Trust
“Admonishing Israel that planning additional Jewish housing in East Jerusalem “undermines the trust we need,” Vice President Biden accidentally pointed to a problem his own president has helped create — a complete absence of trust.
"Israelis do not trust Barack Obama… Obama has convinced Israelis that he has no command of the issues, and that he is predisposed to pressuring Israel much more than the Palestinians. It is Obama who is unwittingly fueling the pro-settlement movement.”
It’s Biden/America’s fault for electing Obama? – a total toady if there ever was one
III. Amjad Atallah, New America Foundation (<= revenant)
U.S. Restraint, Israeli Demands
“Israel’s announcement of 1,600 new settlement units in Arab East Jerusalem, coming during Vice President Biden’s visit, and the previous day’s announcement of 112 new settlements elsewhere in the Occupied West Bank, should not be seen as one-off slaps at the United States.”
( ? Whatever that means)
“In many ways they are a culmination of this Israeli government’s efforts to “teach” President Obama what he can and can’t do to defend American interests in the Middle East.”
The “naughty boy” teaching Nanny how she’s to treat “me”.
THE CATHOLIC BIDEN WILL TAKE IT BECAUSE OF WWII Catholic guilt card, “SATANIC VATICAN” IN PLAY. The historical subtext of the interaction in Jerusalem is Catholics and Jews – “America” is defined by each separately and differently – SHE’s being TORN APART <= COMPENSATED BY LOVE NESTING WITH CHILDREN
MASSA’S PROPER ‘TRUTH DEFENSE’ -- ‘if that’s what you want to call it’, let that be what it is – ‘anti-semitism’—hatred of Jews looped through “anti-‘ism. IS AVOIDED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DAMAGING TO ISRAEL=> IT TAGS THE SATANIC FACTOR INTRODUCED BY …Frum and Bush.
STICKIN’ IT IN/TO BIDEN
crucified Massa …”son of the Devil’s spawn” (Jesus’ charge against the Jews of his day. John 8.44) Massa is a psychotwist (a crafted Jungian Mysterium^Conjunctionis (M^O): both A. Jesus casting the demons out of the child; and B. the one who is a ’full of it”: gross-guy ‘bad boy’; probably neutral-to-pro torture; willing to ‘square’ use of the Evil Grammar from his own resources. It depends on which side he is seen from which way the token is turned into text.
(<=response to naked shower scene vs. Rahm Emanuel
(< ”did you ever have an argument with a naked man in a shower?” – text-token interchange “man” to “Jew” by the mental picture of the undressed Catholic male )
-comes as U.S. peace process broker, TO SET THE GRAMMATICAL STAGE (rules for use of the old tokens as text – ‘formal agreements’) for George Mitchell to follow up, in ‘indirect’ shuttle-diplomacy talks. He states publicly upon arriving:: 1. identity of interests…not true; but no one will gainsay; his is “political predication” on the point at issue, which has never been voted on. 2. defense agreement: a threat to one is a threat to the other-- pointed at Iran: which he is not authorized to do. 2. predicates on 1. through the ‘o8-9 election swerved to give Biden token authority to “speak for the American people” and declare policy. Against the background assumption that freezing settlements was an Israeli good will gesture to woo Palestinian’s trust, the double announcement of their continuation, once as they arrived; again next evening, dining with the Netanyahus; can only be taken as a deliberate insult, and was so seen around the media, if tucked away. In fact, or so it seemed to me, an eerie, somber silence fell on over the land and peoples, everyone blinking twice and sucking breath, waiting … following Gaza, implicating America in its charged war crimes; state targeted assassination by secret service agents in Dubai; irrational belligerence toward Iran, using threat of nukes; 911 anthrax false flag/war on Iraq unresolved…all that “Israel” has come to mean.
3. The desecration of America – staged as if America, through its bond with Israel, desecrated itself, with "Obama".
(U.S. is programmed not to see, relate to this attitude. But all one has to go by in relating to another is what comes off them in communication.)
IV David Makovsky, co-author of “Myths, Illusions and Peace” the Ziegler Distinguished Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and the director of its Project on the Middle East Peace Process, is the co-author with Dennis Ross of “Myths, Illusions and Peace: Finding a New Direction for America in the Middle East.”
Netanyahu and the Blind Side
Argues that Netanyahu probably WAS blindsided…b/c “It would have been self-defeating for the Israeli leader to sabotage a friendly visit.”
Guess that refutes that. Did Netanhyahu know? – would be MOST INSULTING INTERPRETATION Sitting there all night under false pretenses. ….Next day, Biden make him wait 90 minutes for formal dinner, apparently in pique.
“NAH.. HE WOULDN’T DO DAT… NOT IN HIS INTEREST. Does he look suicidal to you?” (Arg.: “If he did it, that would verify the worse one could think of him and his cause; therefore he can’t (rationally) be thought of as (rationally) intending it himself.”
The terror of the logical situation is, that they don’t see anything wrong in such ‘arguments’– a little tilted, maybe, but what’s not. It’s politics; last thing expected is scrupulocity. Rational persuasion? lol
Almost as terrifying is consideration of those who are Blind Sided into thinking this is an argument because they don’t want to think ill of Netanyahu or blame Israel for any thing, heaven forbid.
The line correcting these arguments cannot be held because the conclusions point to Israeli. It looks like nit picking the Holocaust, or snorkeling your bunkmate. They come off as ‘more intelligent’ than anyone who would challenge the discourse, because they control the grammar shifts. They ‘know which way the wind is blowing”, and what to say next.
V. Nathan Brown, Carnegie Endowment Professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University and a nonresident senior associate in the Middle East program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
A Dust-Up Obscures Far Deeper Problems
The policy of isolating Hamas and Gaza has not only had devastating humanitarian consequences; it has actually led to the Islamist movement’s entrenching itself even more deeply in control of the economy and political system of Gaza.
And the idea of negotiations at the present time — when the Palestinian leadership lacks the ability and the Israeli leadership lacks the willingness to build the basic elements of a two state solution — will lead to talks only for the sake of talks.
Only near-objective, serious peace
VI. Daoud Kuttab, Palestinian journalist is a Palestinian journalist and a former Ferris professor of journalism at Princeton University.
When Obama Blinked (The Other side of the coin)
"Sometimes when a difficult relationship is in its formative phase something occurs that establishes its parameters. This is exactly what happened between Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu.
The two had climbed their respective opposing trees on the issue of the prerequisite of a total settlement freeze as a prelude to beginning of peace talks. When they met in New York last Sept. 20, President Obama blinked first, leaving the embarrassed Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, hanging on the tree.
In his public statement the U.S. president scaled down from his (and Secretary Clinton’s) previous calls for a settlement “freeze” to accepting Israel’s offer of a settlement “restraint.” Once it became clear that the Americans will not stand up to Israel on settlements, everyone knew their place in this relationship.
Despite the White House’s latest protestation of the embarrassment meted to Vice President Biden, the Obama administration has only itself to blame…. a result of the American president’s weak knees …
If President George W. Bush truly believed, and President Obama truly believes — as they both publicly stated — that an independent, viable and contiguous Palestinian state is in the “national interest” of the United States, Washington must resolve once and for all that any Jewish settlement built on Palestinian territory forcefully taken in 1967 will not be tolerated.
BOTTOM LINE
VII. Michele Dunne is a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and editor of the Arab Reform Bulletin, a monthly online journal.
Ill Will All Around
“…exposes painfully the poor state of relations between the Obama administration and Israel. Although Prime Minister Netanyahu most likely was blindsided by the announcement, others in his coalition apparently thought it unproblematic to insult Biden and by association Obama.” (doesn’t really make any difference whether he was or not ..someone inside did, and set him up to take the heat next day)
Obama also failed to show strength by imposing some consequence on Netanyahu when the Israeli leader refused to order a real freeze on settlements.
So now there is ill will and a lack of respect all around. The Palestinians probably hope this will redound to their benefit in the form of U.S. pressure on Israel, but it is more likely that Obama will see this episode as reason to disassociate himself from peace efforts even more than he has done in the past few months.
The Obama administration’s calls for a settlement freeze during 2009 differed from those of previous administrations because they were clear and unambiguous. The idea was to restore faith in the possibility of a negotiated solution to the Arab Israeli conflict by persuading Israel to make a gesture on this very important issue (The sub-text was that Israel’s settlement restraint was a good faith gesture, inviting Palestinian trust. Thus, when violated, terminated the conditions for peace talks.)
-How they look on MSNBD when they say “The one enjoying this most is Ahmadinejad!”…screwed up “No more Yuckee than this” face.
– NYTIMES
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/israels-challenge-to-the-u-s/
American-Israel supporters => Swine herd entered by demons cast out of possessed Vatican children .
I. Aaron David Miller, Woodrow Wilson International Center
a former U.S. negotiator for Republican and Democratic administrations, is a now a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center, where he is writing a new book “Can America Have Another Great President?”
Dancing With a Bear – (Russia replaced by Israel meme.)
”If you’re hoping for an Israeli-American war, I wouldn’t bet on it: shared values (x), a strong pro-Israeli community (x) and America’s need to cooperate with Israel to advance and protect its own interests preclude it.” “The last (x) thing an overextended president needs is a big fight with Israel and its supporters.“
(subtext: political threat: don’t even think of it, Obama ) But: x =not: preventive war, state targeted assassinations. X. => not America’s interests. There is massive evidence refuting this: never voted on; The Lobby neverchallenged; "Israel’s need to cooperate with America”
II. Daniel Gordis, Shalem Center
is senior vice president of the Shalem Center in Jerusalem. His most recent book, “Saving Israel: How the Jewish People Can Win a War That May Never End,” received a 2009 National Jewish Book Award.
A Region Devoid of Trust
“Admonishing Israel that planning additional Jewish housing in East Jerusalem “undermines the trust we need,” Vice President Biden accidentally pointed to a problem his own president has helped create — a complete absence of trust.
"Israelis do not trust Barack Obama… Obama has convinced Israelis that he has no command of the issues, and that he is predisposed to pressuring Israel much more than the Palestinians. It is Obama who is unwittingly fueling the pro-settlement movement.”
It’s Biden/America’s fault for electing Obama? – a total toady if there ever was one
III. Amjad Atallah, New America Foundation (<= revenant)
U.S. Restraint, Israeli Demands
“Israel’s announcement of 1,600 new settlement units in Arab East Jerusalem, coming during Vice President Biden’s visit, and the previous day’s announcement of 112 new settlements elsewhere in the Occupied West Bank, should not be seen as one-off slaps at the United States.”
( ? Whatever that means)
“In many ways they are a culmination of this Israeli government’s efforts to “teach” President Obama what he can and can’t do to defend American interests in the Middle East.”
The “naughty boy” teaching Nanny how she’s to treat “me”.
THE CATHOLIC BIDEN WILL TAKE IT BECAUSE OF WWII Catholic guilt card, “SATANIC VATICAN” IN PLAY. The historical subtext of the interaction in Jerusalem is Catholics and Jews – “America” is defined by each separately and differently – SHE’s being TORN APART <= COMPENSATED BY LOVE NESTING WITH CHILDREN
MASSA’S PROPER ‘TRUTH DEFENSE’ -- ‘if that’s what you want to call it’, let that be what it is – ‘anti-semitism’—hatred of Jews looped through “anti-‘ism. IS AVOIDED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DAMAGING TO ISRAEL=> IT TAGS THE SATANIC FACTOR INTRODUCED BY …Frum and Bush.
STICKIN’ IT IN/TO BIDEN
crucified Massa …”son of the Devil’s spawn” (Jesus’ charge against the Jews of his day. John 8.44) Massa is a psychotwist (a crafted Jungian Mysterium^Conjunctionis (M^O): both A. Jesus casting the demons out of the child; and B. the one who is a ’full of it”: gross-guy ‘bad boy’; probably neutral-to-pro torture; willing to ‘square’ use of the Evil Grammar from his own resources. It depends on which side he is seen from which way the token is turned into text.
(<=response to naked shower scene vs. Rahm Emanuel
(< ”did you ever have an argument with a naked man in a shower?” – text-token interchange “man” to “Jew” by the mental picture of the undressed Catholic male )
-comes as U.S. peace process broker, TO SET THE GRAMMATICAL STAGE (rules for use of the old tokens as text – ‘formal agreements’) for George Mitchell to follow up, in ‘indirect’ shuttle-diplomacy talks. He states publicly upon arriving:: 1. identity of interests…not true; but no one will gainsay; his is “political predication” on the point at issue, which has never been voted on. 2. defense agreement: a threat to one is a threat to the other-- pointed at Iran: which he is not authorized to do. 2. predicates on 1. through the ‘o8-9 election swerved to give Biden token authority to “speak for the American people” and declare policy. Against the background assumption that freezing settlements was an Israeli good will gesture to woo Palestinian’s trust, the double announcement of their continuation, once as they arrived; again next evening, dining with the Netanyahus; can only be taken as a deliberate insult, and was so seen around the media, if tucked away. In fact, or so it seemed to me, an eerie, somber silence fell on over the land and peoples, everyone blinking twice and sucking breath, waiting … following Gaza, implicating America in its charged war crimes; state targeted assassination by secret service agents in Dubai; irrational belligerence toward Iran, using threat of nukes; 911 anthrax false flag/war on Iraq unresolved…all that “Israel” has come to mean.
3. The desecration of America – staged as if America, through its bond with Israel, desecrated itself, with "Obama".
(U.S. is programmed not to see, relate to this attitude. But all one has to go by in relating to another is what comes off them in communication.)
IV David Makovsky, co-author of “Myths, Illusions and Peace” the Ziegler Distinguished Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and the director of its Project on the Middle East Peace Process, is the co-author with Dennis Ross of “Myths, Illusions and Peace: Finding a New Direction for America in the Middle East.”
Netanyahu and the Blind Side
Argues that Netanyahu probably WAS blindsided…b/c “It would have been self-defeating for the Israeli leader to sabotage a friendly visit.”
Guess that refutes that. Did Netanhyahu know? – would be MOST INSULTING INTERPRETATION Sitting there all night under false pretenses. ….Next day, Biden make him wait 90 minutes for formal dinner, apparently in pique.
“NAH.. HE WOULDN’T DO DAT… NOT IN HIS INTEREST. Does he look suicidal to you?” (Arg.: “If he did it, that would verify the worse one could think of him and his cause; therefore he can’t (rationally) be thought of as (rationally) intending it himself.”
The terror of the logical situation is, that they don’t see anything wrong in such ‘arguments’– a little tilted, maybe, but what’s not. It’s politics; last thing expected is scrupulocity. Rational persuasion? lol
Almost as terrifying is consideration of those who are Blind Sided into thinking this is an argument because they don’t want to think ill of Netanyahu or blame Israel for any thing, heaven forbid.
The line correcting these arguments cannot be held because the conclusions point to Israeli. It looks like nit picking the Holocaust, or snorkeling your bunkmate. They come off as ‘more intelligent’ than anyone who would challenge the discourse, because they control the grammar shifts. They ‘know which way the wind is blowing”, and what to say next.
V. Nathan Brown, Carnegie Endowment Professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University and a nonresident senior associate in the Middle East program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
A Dust-Up Obscures Far Deeper Problems
The policy of isolating Hamas and Gaza has not only had devastating humanitarian consequences; it has actually led to the Islamist movement’s entrenching itself even more deeply in control of the economy and political system of Gaza.
And the idea of negotiations at the present time — when the Palestinian leadership lacks the ability and the Israeli leadership lacks the willingness to build the basic elements of a two state solution — will lead to talks only for the sake of talks.
Only near-objective, serious peace
VI. Daoud Kuttab, Palestinian journalist is a Palestinian journalist and a former Ferris professor of journalism at Princeton University.
When Obama Blinked (The Other side of the coin)
"Sometimes when a difficult relationship is in its formative phase something occurs that establishes its parameters. This is exactly what happened between Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu.
The two had climbed their respective opposing trees on the issue of the prerequisite of a total settlement freeze as a prelude to beginning of peace talks. When they met in New York last Sept. 20, President Obama blinked first, leaving the embarrassed Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, hanging on the tree.
In his public statement the U.S. president scaled down from his (and Secretary Clinton’s) previous calls for a settlement “freeze” to accepting Israel’s offer of a settlement “restraint.” Once it became clear that the Americans will not stand up to Israel on settlements, everyone knew their place in this relationship.
Despite the White House’s latest protestation of the embarrassment meted to Vice President Biden, the Obama administration has only itself to blame…. a result of the American president’s weak knees …
If President George W. Bush truly believed, and President Obama truly believes — as they both publicly stated — that an independent, viable and contiguous Palestinian state is in the “national interest” of the United States, Washington must resolve once and for all that any Jewish settlement built on Palestinian territory forcefully taken in 1967 will not be tolerated.
BOTTOM LINE
VII. Michele Dunne is a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and editor of the Arab Reform Bulletin, a monthly online journal.
Ill Will All Around
“…exposes painfully the poor state of relations between the Obama administration and Israel. Although Prime Minister Netanyahu most likely was blindsided by the announcement, others in his coalition apparently thought it unproblematic to insult Biden and by association Obama.” (doesn’t really make any difference whether he was or not ..someone inside did, and set him up to take the heat next day)
Obama also failed to show strength by imposing some consequence on Netanyahu when the Israeli leader refused to order a real freeze on settlements.
So now there is ill will and a lack of respect all around. The Palestinians probably hope this will redound to their benefit in the form of U.S. pressure on Israel, but it is more likely that Obama will see this episode as reason to disassociate himself from peace efforts even more than he has done in the past few months.
The Obama administration’s calls for a settlement freeze during 2009 differed from those of previous administrations because they were clear and unambiguous. The idea was to restore faith in the possibility of a negotiated solution to the Arab Israeli conflict by persuading Israel to make a gesture on this very important issue (The sub-text was that Israel’s settlement restraint was a good faith gesture, inviting Palestinian trust. Thus, when violated, terminated the conditions for peace talks.)
-How they look on MSNBD when they say “The one enjoying this most is Ahmadinejad!”…screwed up “No more Yuckee than this” face.
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