Response to Macrobius
Macrobius: acknowledging.
Nixon carpet bombed Laos and Cambodia before finally settling for what he could have got in ’72. He thus unnecessarily prolonged the destruction and killing.
Prompting: From Anna Nicole, to *You*, sweet prince.
http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html
VIETNAM
Why Did We GO?
The Religious Beginnings of an Unholy War
________________________________________
The Shocking Story of the Catholic "Church's" Role in Starting the Vietnam War
________________________________________
By Avro Manhattan
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I don’t like to pound on this, it creates false dialectic. I am not anti-Catholic, and do not hold individuals and sub-groups to any kind of internal account I am trying to erase, except through what comes from spokespersons in their name interjecting un-opposable dogmas into political discourse, with which I take exception. However that may be, this is a document that cannot be ignored, I think.
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Chapter 2
“The U.S. strategy was based upon the domino theory. This assumed that in Asia, once any given country became Communist, all the others would become so likewise. Vietnam fitted neatly into this pattern. It became imperative, therefore, that the French should not be defeated by the Vietnamese Communists. The determination of the Vietnamese people to get rid of the French rule, therefore, ran contrary to the U.S. grand strategy, or the strategy of anyone determined to stop the advance of communism in Southeast Asia.
“And indeed there was another ready at hand. The Catholic Church had watched the advances of communism in Indo-China with a greater concern even than the U.S. She had more at stake than anyone else, including the French themselves: almost four hundred years of Catholic activities. Seen from Rome, the rapid expansion of world communism had become even more terrifying than for Washington. The Vatican had witnessed whole nations, those of Eastern Europe swallowed up by Soviet Russia, with millions of Catholics passing under Communist rule. In addition, traditional Catholic countries like Italy and France were harboring growing Communist parties. For the Vatican, therefore, it was even more imperative than for the U.S. to prosecute a policy directed at stopping communism wherever it could be stopped. It became inevitable that the Vatican and the U.S. should come together to stop the same enemy. The two having soon formulated a common strategy turned themselves into veritable partners.”
Two young, virile presidents as sons of this heritage: Kennedy in the US., Diem in Vietnam. Plus the geo-strategic background: are you kidding me? Speaking psychodynamic’ly, the rest is history. “Gaming the system with Rat-pack bizzaz,” the really great crooner. ‘ol Blue Eyes; and Deeno; then Deniro, and Taxicab. (I do get carried away.)
Nixon was so far over his head from the gitgo he could basrely tread water poured out by Haldeman, Erlichman etc. … and Henry Kissinger. The notion that Nixon might have brokered Republicanism in the South as a Father figure had entirely escaped me – and still does. Buchanan gets credit for that with Ronald Reagan. The family romance many elderly WWII citizens re-experienced having the Reagan’s in the White House flowed together with re-surging moralistic backlash against the excesses of 60’s culture – he was running against the dopers et al back then, too, as Bush says of himself. Too much pleasure. The feeling of out-of-control blood surge, released under conditions of repression by spurt-bang-de-tumesence (overcome by compulsion to kill-or-die) was the carbon *fuel* given *oxygen* by the (thought, fantasy, acting-out of) *punishment of baby-boomer/kids”* for rebelling against The Fathers (WWII generation of heroes who carbonized the Vietnam war). “HELL NO, WE WON’T GO” carried existential wallop. Especially tinctured by moral supremacism. It was this tincture which the future war-makers for Israel must neutralize. “Mugged by reality”, was Wm. Kristol’s meme for doing it. As if he had just awakened to the dangers of socialistic-communistic tendencies among Democrats, and America needed his version of a New Conservatism to correct (among the leading “neocons”, he waz). But the psychodynamics made it culture-war whoop. He (plus Podhoretz’ Commentary; the National Review’s Rich Lowry and Joonas Goldberg. The New Republic, and everything owned by Rupert Murdoch) made make-up with/to his old man, Irv, by siccing retard Republican intellectuals like George Will onto the pro-abortionists (for carbon – twit, he can do anytime; cannot not do all the time).
The anti-abortion movement in America started in Binghamton, New York in the early 70’s, fading in as the Vietnam war faded out. “Operation Rescue”, organized by Randall Terry, was the kindling. Archbishop John O’Connor of the Scranton diocese, later chief prelate of New York City, took up the issue, contributing the elaboration that abortion clinics were like Nazi gas chambers killing Jews (Jews as fetuses), and using it like a moral club to beat on Mario Cuomo’s head.
Prior to this time, the Catholic Church had not been aggressively dogmatic on the abortion issue. Just when a “soul” is supposed to come to inhabit a human embryo has not been theologically clarified, nor need it have been, except for religio-politics. It was a displacement of guilt for killing 53,000 U.S. soldiers in Vietnam, for the group as a whole. The Church gained moral clout by merging with Terry’ “Operation Rescue”. For America as a whole, at the unconscious level, it provided a displacement of the guilt for killing 5300+ US soldiers, and untold others, in Vietnam. Those who defended abortion could be indentified, with Papal blessing, with babykillers and Nazis. “The unborn” became a shared token for contents of women’s bellies everywhere who had conceived a child. Never mind if it was @SAKmonoys girl friend who got knocked up and could not by any common sense on earth be made to take responsibility for raising a child. Never mind that. I do not disrespect the Catholic teaching against abortion on its own terms. There are some deeply against it whom I must respect, while disagreeing 180 degrees (and regarding them as closet bleeding heart liberals) But this human decision-issue must not be injected into political campaigns, especially after a US president has declared this religious group, and Jews, the swing-vote targets he used to get re-elected. It is a loop-de-loop backdoor attempt to maneuver into place a particular moralistic viewpoint in regard to abortion, supported by religious fervor on the basis of fetal identification fantasies, getting over on the public by appeal to this as the unifying feeling state. (cf. “America, The Beautiful”: Anna Nicole Smith as “our” fantasy womb-surround.).
The “heat” of abortion politics has abated, I think, from having used up its carbon. (Hank Williams: “Mind your own business and you won’t be mind’in’ mine ….”) I hope so. In my opinion, it sets up a false dialectic.
Nixon carpet bombed Laos and Cambodia before finally settling for what he could have got in ’72. He thus unnecessarily prolonged the destruction and killing.
Prompting: From Anna Nicole, to *You*, sweet prince.
http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html
VIETNAM
Why Did We GO?
The Religious Beginnings of an Unholy War
________________________________________
The Shocking Story of the Catholic "Church's" Role in Starting the Vietnam War
________________________________________
By Avro Manhattan
*****/
I don’t like to pound on this, it creates false dialectic. I am not anti-Catholic, and do not hold individuals and sub-groups to any kind of internal account I am trying to erase, except through what comes from spokespersons in their name interjecting un-opposable dogmas into political discourse, with which I take exception. However that may be, this is a document that cannot be ignored, I think.
*****/
Chapter 2
“The U.S. strategy was based upon the domino theory. This assumed that in Asia, once any given country became Communist, all the others would become so likewise. Vietnam fitted neatly into this pattern. It became imperative, therefore, that the French should not be defeated by the Vietnamese Communists. The determination of the Vietnamese people to get rid of the French rule, therefore, ran contrary to the U.S. grand strategy, or the strategy of anyone determined to stop the advance of communism in Southeast Asia.
“And indeed there was another ready at hand. The Catholic Church had watched the advances of communism in Indo-China with a greater concern even than the U.S. She had more at stake than anyone else, including the French themselves: almost four hundred years of Catholic activities. Seen from Rome, the rapid expansion of world communism had become even more terrifying than for Washington. The Vatican had witnessed whole nations, those of Eastern Europe swallowed up by Soviet Russia, with millions of Catholics passing under Communist rule. In addition, traditional Catholic countries like Italy and France were harboring growing Communist parties. For the Vatican, therefore, it was even more imperative than for the U.S. to prosecute a policy directed at stopping communism wherever it could be stopped. It became inevitable that the Vatican and the U.S. should come together to stop the same enemy. The two having soon formulated a common strategy turned themselves into veritable partners.”
Two young, virile presidents as sons of this heritage: Kennedy in the US., Diem in Vietnam. Plus the geo-strategic background: are you kidding me? Speaking psychodynamic’ly, the rest is history. “Gaming the system with Rat-pack bizzaz,” the really great crooner. ‘ol Blue Eyes; and Deeno; then Deniro, and Taxicab. (I do get carried away.)
Nixon was so far over his head from the gitgo he could basrely tread water poured out by Haldeman, Erlichman etc. … and Henry Kissinger. The notion that Nixon might have brokered Republicanism in the South as a Father figure had entirely escaped me – and still does. Buchanan gets credit for that with Ronald Reagan. The family romance many elderly WWII citizens re-experienced having the Reagan’s in the White House flowed together with re-surging moralistic backlash against the excesses of 60’s culture – he was running against the dopers et al back then, too, as Bush says of himself. Too much pleasure. The feeling of out-of-control blood surge, released under conditions of repression by spurt-bang-de-tumesence (overcome by compulsion to kill-or-die) was the carbon *fuel* given *oxygen* by the (thought, fantasy, acting-out of) *punishment of baby-boomer/kids”* for rebelling against The Fathers (WWII generation of heroes who carbonized the Vietnam war). “HELL NO, WE WON’T GO” carried existential wallop. Especially tinctured by moral supremacism. It was this tincture which the future war-makers for Israel must neutralize. “Mugged by reality”, was Wm. Kristol’s meme for doing it. As if he had just awakened to the dangers of socialistic-communistic tendencies among Democrats, and America needed his version of a New Conservatism to correct (among the leading “neocons”, he waz). But the psychodynamics made it culture-war whoop. He (plus Podhoretz’ Commentary; the National Review’s Rich Lowry and Joonas Goldberg. The New Republic, and everything owned by Rupert Murdoch) made make-up with/to his old man, Irv, by siccing retard Republican intellectuals like George Will onto the pro-abortionists (for carbon – twit, he can do anytime; cannot not do all the time).
The anti-abortion movement in America started in Binghamton, New York in the early 70’s, fading in as the Vietnam war faded out. “Operation Rescue”, organized by Randall Terry, was the kindling. Archbishop John O’Connor of the Scranton diocese, later chief prelate of New York City, took up the issue, contributing the elaboration that abortion clinics were like Nazi gas chambers killing Jews (Jews as fetuses), and using it like a moral club to beat on Mario Cuomo’s head.
Prior to this time, the Catholic Church had not been aggressively dogmatic on the abortion issue. Just when a “soul” is supposed to come to inhabit a human embryo has not been theologically clarified, nor need it have been, except for religio-politics. It was a displacement of guilt for killing 53,000 U.S. soldiers in Vietnam, for the group as a whole. The Church gained moral clout by merging with Terry’ “Operation Rescue”. For America as a whole, at the unconscious level, it provided a displacement of the guilt for killing 5300+ US soldiers, and untold others, in Vietnam. Those who defended abortion could be indentified, with Papal blessing, with babykillers and Nazis. “The unborn” became a shared token for contents of women’s bellies everywhere who had conceived a child. Never mind if it was @SAKmonoys girl friend who got knocked up and could not by any common sense on earth be made to take responsibility for raising a child. Never mind that. I do not disrespect the Catholic teaching against abortion on its own terms. There are some deeply against it whom I must respect, while disagreeing 180 degrees (and regarding them as closet bleeding heart liberals) But this human decision-issue must not be injected into political campaigns, especially after a US president has declared this religious group, and Jews, the swing-vote targets he used to get re-elected. It is a loop-de-loop backdoor attempt to maneuver into place a particular moralistic viewpoint in regard to abortion, supported by religious fervor on the basis of fetal identification fantasies, getting over on the public by appeal to this as the unifying feeling state. (cf. “America, The Beautiful”: Anna Nicole Smith as “our” fantasy womb-surround.).
The “heat” of abortion politics has abated, I think, from having used up its carbon. (Hank Williams: “Mind your own business and you won’t be mind’in’ mine ….”) I hope so. In my opinion, it sets up a false dialectic.
posted by Sid Thomas | 7:35 PM
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Well, maybe Nixon as Father Figure was a bit overdrawn. I was mostly highlighting the contrast between Nixon, dark, unshaven, and pretty-boy Kennedy. Guess which one makes the kids cry.
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